Friday, January 20, 2006

"Intelligent design" not science: Vatican paper

I found this article interesting. It just came out yesterday and explains that even the Catholic Church believes there's more evidence for evolution than for Intelligent Design.

PARIS (Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Church has restated its support for evolution with an article praising a U.S. court decision that rejects the "intelligent design" theory as non-scientific.
Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano said that teaching intelligent design -- which argues that life is so complex that it needed a supernatural creator -- alongside Darwin's theory of evolution would only cause confusion.
A court in the state of Pennsylvania last month barred a school from teaching intelligent design (ID), a blow to Christian conservatives who want it to be taught in biology classes along with the Darwinism they oppose.
The ID movement sometimes presents Catholicism, the world's largest Christian denomination, as an ally in its campaign. While the Church is socially conservative, it has a long theological tradition that rejects fundamentalist creationism.
"Intelligent design does not belong to science and there is no justification for the demand it be taught as a scientific theory alongside the Darwinian explanation," said the article in the Tuesday edition of the newspaper.
Evolution represents "the interpretative key of the history of life on Earth" and the debate in the United States was "polluted by political positions," wrote Fiorenzo Facchini, a professor of evolutionary biology at Italy's Bologna University.
"So the decision by the Pennsylvania judge seems correct."
EVOLUTION CONFUSION
Confusion about the Catholic view of evolution arose last year when both the newly elected Pope Benedict and his former student, Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn of Vienna, said humans were part of an intelligent project designed by God.
An article by Schoenborn in the New York Times in July seemed to signal a Church shift toward intelligent design because it played down a 1996 statement by Pope John Paul that evolution was "more than a hypothesis."
This triggered a wave of "Vatican rejects Darwin" headlines and attacks from scientists, Catholics among them, who argued that had been proved man evolved from lower beings.
Schoenborn later made it clear the Church accepted evolution as solid science but objected to the way some Darwinists concluded that it proved God did not exist and could "explain everything from the Big Bang to Beethoven's Ninth Symphony."
The Church, which has never rejected evolution, teaches that God created the world and the natural laws by which life developed. Even its best-known dissident, Swiss theologian Hans Kueng, echoed this in a recent book in Germany.
Schoenborn said he spoke up because he shared Benedict's concern, stated just before his election last April, that a "dictatorship of relativism" was trying to deny God's existence.
TENET OF FAITH
Pennsylvania Judge John Jones ruled that intelligent design was a version of creationism, the belief that God made the world in six days as told in the Bible, and thus could not be taught without violating a ban on teaching religion in public schools.
It was not science, despite claims by its backers, he said.
This literal reading of Genesis, the first book of the Bible, is a tenet of faith for evangelical Protestants, a group that has become politically influential in the United States.
Many U.S. Catholics may agree with evangelicals politically, but the Church does not share their theology on this point. Intelligent design has few supporters outside the United States.
While not an official document, the article in L'Osservatore Romano had to be vetted in advance to reflect Vatican thinking.
The Seattle-based Discovery Institute -- the main think tank of the ID movement -- said on its website that reading the Osservatore article that way amounted to an attempt "to put words in the Vatican's mouth."

6 Comments:

Blogger Unknown said...

Of course i'm going to comment on this one.
Yes the Catholic Church says it's fine to believe in evolution, and still be a Catholic, as long as you believe that God exists of course.
The very important point to remember is that the Church teaches and believes that we are created by God, and that God exists.
To know exactly what John Paul 2 states, you would have to find his statement, which I can give you http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm
This way you have what he said 100% quoted, just in case you come accross differing stories and statements.
John Paul2 was addressing the "Pontifical Academy of of Science" in 1996. which is where ths article is coming from.

Pope Benedict XVI backs up all John Paul II's statements and teachings also.

2:23 PM

 
Blogger Unknown said...

The Vatican is saying that Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as a scientific theory in schools alongside Darwinian evolution.
So it's not really all so contradictory as this article here sounds. It seems to depend on the writer and what they want you to think.
Which is why more people should really read official documents to understand the base of our Church's teaching (I am a Catholic ).
The actual article said that in pushing intelligent design some groups were improperly seeking miraculous explanations in a way that creates confusion between religious and scientific fields.
Alot of Christians don't understand that confusion will only lead to disbelief or something unhealthy, so they need to be careful when trying to push ID and Science together.
It also said that
at the same time, scientists should recognize that the evolution theory does not exclude an overall purpose in creation a "superior design" that may be realized through secondary causes like natural selection.
So that kind of balances it out and makes it not so contradictorary.
Until you posted this article I had not seen it, so I had to take a good look into it to make sure that what I say here is in correct standing with my Church.

Another thing that this article said was
"The problem with intelligent design is that it turns to a "superior cause" understood though not necessarily named as God to explain supposed shortcomings of evolutionary science. But that's not how science should work"
So again, it's pretty well balanced, although it is not shown that way on most of the articles out there.

Also if I may add, a lot of controversy happens regarding the Catholic Church, but by reading official documents (which is what we believe to be infallible and the true teachings) you will know exactly where the Church stands.

11:28 PM

 
Blogger Unknown said...

Stretching what? as in stretching the truth? I'm simply providing you with information, because you are misinformed and wrong.
You said that the Church contradicts itself but i'm sorry, you are wrong on that, so I tried to give you the 1996 statement and tell you that you have to read the official documents to know the truth.
Then you said "the Catholic Church believes there's more evidence for evolution than for Intelligent Design." again, im sorry but that is not true. So I politely tried to inform you of what the Church's statement was on this and what the article really says.
You have the wrong stuff Johnny, your article doesnt tell it all, so you are very badly informed.
Yes the Catholic Church praised the US decision and I gave you the answer to that since you really have no idea.
One should thank me.

1:47 PM

 
Blogger Unknown said...

Excuse me Johnny, I just re-read this last post to you, I didnt mean that you had "no idea" of what you were talking about, I didnt explain that well, I mean that by reading your article and coming to the conclusion you did meant that you had no idea of what the Vatican is "really" saying.

3:41 PM

 
Blogger Unknown said...

Oh you're right telling you that you are wrong does not make it true, but telling you that you are wrong and backing it up with my stretching information does make it true.

1.The Catholic Church is not contradicting itself because evolution does not disprove God.

=you ARE wrong

2. The Catholic Church does not think that there is more evidence in evolution that intelligent Design because it says so in the official documents, which are the true Church beliefs.

= you ARE wrong

3. Praising the US court for not confusing students means...nothing and is the wisest decision made by a Church who truly wants people to make up their own minds.

= you ARE wrong

There's the short and sweet of it.
If you still see what i'm telling you as "nothing" then you are ignoring me. I back all my statements up for you because that's what I figure you want, and how can I argue with you if I don't give you solid back up to my statements?
You brought this article, and I pointed out what was missing.

1:26 PM

 
Blogger Unknown said...

I believe that proper debates can only work with mutual respect.
I did this whole God conference thing out of my love for God, which is the same reason I took on your vatican thoughts.
My only regret is that you ignored everything I worked at showing you and wrote it off as nothing. I hope some other reader got something out of it, so my efforts would not have been a complete waste of time.

7:12 PM

 

Post a Comment

<< Home