Where the Hell is Patrick?

Wow.
What a confusing mishmash with the article I just read where Johnny quotes an article and Carmel responds with more material.

It's
HERE.

I feel I should address this.

The article Johnny presented was just pointing out what many of us already know--the church changes what the "truth is and has always been" in order to keep up with the prevaling opinions of our times. I don't think Johnny Dragon was saying anything initally about whether God really exists or not, or anybody's position on God existing or not, from this article.

However it appears Jragon does attempt to say something like this along those lines with

but there would seem to be a contradiction in that statement combined with one stating that evolution has more credence than Intelligent Design

where the "statement" he referenced here was

church decided to praise the U.S. for NOT teaching Intelligent Design

I see no contradiction, Johnny. There isn't one. However, I can appreciate that you weren't making a full-out assertion with the disclaiming "there would seem"..

"Yeppers, Billy Bob, ehe ehe ehe. It's a seemer! Better run tell ma and chain up dem hogs!"
--Hillbilly Jim's reaction to Mark 5:13

I don't know if they mean intelligent design entirely, or just the fable of 6 days to create the planet etc. Basically, I think its time for any church to get serious and drop the Adam and Eve BS so we can all move on to the real business of what are we even doing here now?

I maintain that evolution IS intelligent design. This propensity of life to improve and grow certainly says something about the intentions of any possible author. And I think the harmony of physics and nature suggest a brilliance not inherent in purposefully-inert existence.

Evolution is obviously what any conceivable God wanted us to realise. Your reaction to what people say about that illustrates something. No matter what anyone said about it, where does being a cog in God's machine put you? It puts me into the beautiful whole, as I could hope it puts you all. It's nice here. It means I'm immortal. In time and space, I will always be here, in this time, making these actions; whether 10 minutes have passed, or 10 million years, the time and space I am composed of is eternal. I will always be alive in my time.

So how long can you make excuses for giving into superstition? Give up your instinct, because the truth is we have none. You have all been inaugurated into the race by your race. Nobody arrived here independently. So how can you trust what you are, given what you've seen about the authors of all your known history? You think you should buy into fictions that result from fears with birthplaces that are thousands of miles and thousands of years from here? I certainly hope that's not what an education gave you.

Also, I wasn't able to find anything stretchy about what Carmel said by the stretchy comment itself. But, as any yogist or tennis player knows, it's good to be flexible. And stretching itself is not a point against you unless someone able comes along and comprpises you with that fact.

Carmel had 3 assertions. I believe she presented and held her ground more than sufficiently in point one, the central one in my opinion. As well, point 3 was an accurate summary of what Johnny's article was stating.

I couldn't read #2 properly. It's broken or something:

2. The Catholic Church does not think that there is more evidence in evolution that intelligent Design because it says so in the official documents, which are the true Church beliefs.

So, Carmel, since you concluded your involvement in that post with the phrase "I hope some other reader got something out of it" I wanted to let you know that I had, indeed.


I read the post after that one, inspired by that one, and I was DElighted to see not one comment. I enjoyed the post itself. The church is slick! Hey! They'll sell you your own soul!

I don't know why I got up to post this, but I'm going back to bed now. I can't imagine I won't have more to say on something else later.