Contradictions
Do you believe in Satan?
Do you believe that God is all powerful?
If your answer was yes to both questions, I'm interested to see how you reconcile the two. Consider the properties of both entities when making your determinations, if you're so inclined.
posted by Infinigeist at 5:05 PM
5 Comments:
I believe that Satan is real, and that God is all powerful.
God created satan, so he has his maker too, like we all do. Satan was an Angel, created for good. Satan became jealous of God's power and became evil, therefore he was cast out of heaven.
YOu can find reference to Satan here:
Called Abaddon, Rev. 9:11; accuser of our brethren, Rev. 12:10; adversary, 1 Pet. 5:8; angel of the bottomless pit, Rev. 9:11; Apollyon, Rev. 9:11; Beelzebub, Matt. 12:24; Mark 3:22; Luke 11:15; Belial, 2 Cor. 6:15; the devil, Matt. 4:1; Luke 4:2,6; Rev. 20:2; enemy, Matt. 13:39; evil spirit, 1 Sam. 16:14; father of lies, John 8:44; gates of hell, Matt. 16:18; great red dragon, Rev. 12:3; liar, John 8:44; lying spirit, 1 Kin. 22:22; murderer, John 8:44; old serpent, Rev. 12:9; 20:2; power of darkness, Col. 1:13; prince of this world, John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11; of devils, Matt. 12:24; of the power of the air, Eph. 2:2; ruler of the darkness of this world, Eph. 6:12; Satan, 1 Chr. 21:1; Job 1:6; John 13:27; Acts 5:3; 26:18; Rom. 16:20; serpent, Gen. 3:4,14; 2 Cor. 11:3; spirit that works in the children of disobedience, Eph. 2:2; tempter, Matt. 4:3; 1 Thess. 3:5; the god of this world, 2 Cor. 4:4; unclean spirit, Matt. 12:43; wicked one, Matt. 13:19,38. Kingdom of, to be destroyed, 2 Sam. 23:6,7, with context; Matt. 12:29; 13:30; Luke 11:21,22; 1 John 3:8. Synagogue of, Rev. 2:9; 3:9.
Satan holds no power over God, none at all, he was defeated by Jesus death and ressurection. He cannot harm anyone who does not choose to want his power.
We all have our own power to a certain extent and so does Satan, but he is no match when it comes to God.
7:09 PM
Satan is an Angel, and has powers of an Angel, he is not red with horns and such like fantasy portrays him, he is in appearance, beautiful, but "full of violence"
"Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you,
O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.
Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries . . ." (Ezekiel 28:12)
PS I deleted another comment, sorry folks, I just keep finding more and more to say and then realize that I have said too much, or didn't make sense, or as Johny says, i'm stretchy, i'm starting to believe that was an accurate observation.
6:46 PM
Apparently, God has seen fit to include evil into the existential apparatus, thus bringing into question many of the assertions people make about God, such as that He is all good.
If God put Satan here, then He can't be "all good", or he can't be "all powerful" by our human definition.
Of course, by a God's measure, perhaps God is all good and powerful, which brings me to question what can I truly know of Good or Evil or Power?
I quote no books when making my assertion, and I tire of reading reference numbers when reading the assertions of others. Such assertions are easily dismissed when the evidence is so *dependent* on belief. Sure, it makes for some good story telling, but it is not evidence of thought or truth by any estimation of mine.
I think man possesses the same power as the God we conceive. By our simple acceptance of or our refusal to acknowledge God, God lives or dies.
I think Johnny would be delighted to know that despite his now-not-so-recent departure, some still see fit to mention him in the goings on here... I myself am not so delighted.
11:48 AM
It's rather interesting that you say "I quote no books" yet you mention "Satan" which is a quotation from a book and "evil" has come from that book too.
Because your post mentioned Satan, I thought it fit to quote from the Bible, that's where we do find and learn that there is something or someone called by that name.
This response to your post was done a while ago, excuse me for mentioning Johnny, it seems hard to express anything right on your blog. And I have tried to contribute honestly and openly here, if you don't like that and it makes you not "delighted" it was not my intention, I don't know how to bring delight to all, I just post what I post.
4:48 PM
I quote you:
" If God put Satan here, then He can't be "all good", or he can't be "all powerful" by our human definition."
God put Satan here on earth, not because he is not good, no way! Did you expect God to kill him or something?
Out of God's kindess Satan was cast down to earth. But God seems to get blame for what Satan does because he "allows" it. It is Satans choice to bring forth his evil.
Evil is seen in the world today, it's not always mental illness, but excorsisms, they are real and you do not need a book to quote them.
Murder, rape, violence etc. It's your living proof of evil, of Satan's presence among us and his demons.
I think not believing in Satan is scarier than believing.
I quote you again:
"Such assertions are easily dismissed when the evidence is so *dependent* on belief. Sure, it makes for some good story telling, but it is not evidence of thought or truth by any estimation of mine."
Quoting references to the Bible does not mean that evidence is dependent on belief.
Experience led me to believe that what the Bible says is truth, I didn't just pick it up and think "ok sounds good" my first reading of it. That would be blind faith.
If God had illuminated Satan then God’s created intelligent beings would have served Him out of fear.
8:36 PM
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